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Post by Vadim on Apr 14, 2011 12:53:08 GMT -5
Any one familiar with this rule change?
Preamble
As from 01.03.2011 a blood sample will be taken from every participating dog at every ZTP in Germany as well as in foreign countries, in order to establish a DNA-based identity profile. The officiating judge has to be reimbursed at the ZTP for the costs involved. If the DNA analysis does not confirm the identity of the dog, then the ZTP will be declared void with immediate effect. The imposition of a possible penalty will be decided by the Presidium.
The blood sample can only be obtained by the officiating judge who is also responsible for the correct procurement of the DNA sample and for the 'error free' recording of all relevant data including the forwarding of the samples to the DV approved institute within 2 days.
If a participating dog is already in possession of a DNA-based identity profile, then the Breed Judge has to be presented with the original thereof as well as a copy. The copy will be forwarded to the DV approved institute for analysis. Nevertheless, for safety's sake, a blood sample will be taken which will be assessed in the case of a 'non confirmation' of the already existing identity profile. If the existing identity profile is confirmed then the new DNA sample will not be assessed.
Bron: Dobermann Verein
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Post by Bitten on Apr 14, 2011 13:01:01 GMT -5
Thank's for posting the information.
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Post by grabichler on Apr 14, 2011 13:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by sonterra on Apr 15, 2011 14:27:06 GMT -5
Well guess I will never be doing the ztp with my dog. What guarentee is there that the blood from the dogs will ONLY be used for a DNA test? And that the judge handles it correctly? And whom is authorized to draw the blood sample?? A judge is most certainly NOT a vet tech or vet.
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Post by Bitten on Apr 15, 2011 15:05:38 GMT -5
Well guess I will never be doing the ztp with my dog. What guarentee is there that the blood from the dogs will ONLY be used for a DNA test? And that the judge handles it correctly? And whom is authorized to draw the blood sample?? A judge is most certainly NOT a vet tech or vet. 1: as I know, merely a drop of blood is needed for a DNA test, which we all might be cabable of doing 2: I would worry about the samples getting conterminated BUT - I have the possibility to observe this on the 30th of April - will try and give an update on this ... |
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Post by LRadcliffe on Apr 15, 2011 17:52:35 GMT -5
While the DNA test will be a very valuable tool for upcoming litters and the future of the dobermann. Putting that info into the DV's trust is another, you would want to make sure you have- a dog from the RIGHT kennel, the RIGHT breeder with the RIGHT pedigree!! but then I have no faith or interest in the DV at this point in time.. why not just submit a test result from a vet like with the HD rating? "what guarantee?" NO guarantee!!!
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Post by Bitten on Apr 15, 2011 18:37:36 GMT -5
Don't shoot the messengers - you have now been informed about the amended rules, and I have promised to take a look into this - how things are performed - and report back.
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Post by LRadcliffe on Apr 15, 2011 19:31:06 GMT -5
My post was not to "shoot any messengers!"  I already had knowledge of the new rules. Only my opinion on the whole thing. It's quite clear I am not a fan of the currant DV but I do think the DNA is very valuable. |
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Post by Dyenga on Apr 16, 2011 1:05:32 GMT -5
if you're afraid that the bloodsamples will be used for other things, just do the DNA test before....and take your documents with you during the ZTP.
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Post by sonterra on Apr 16, 2011 2:29:13 GMT -5
if you're afraid that the bloodsamples will be used for other things, just do the DNA test before....and take your documents with you during the ZTP. >>>If a participating dog is already in possession of a DNA-based identity profile, then the Breed Judge has to be presented with the original thereof as well as a copy. The copy will be forwarded to the DV approved institute for analysis. Nevertheless, for safety's sake, a blood sample will be taken which will be assessed in the case of a 'non confirmation' of the already existing identity profile. If the existing identity profile is confirmed then the new DNA sample will not be assessed.>> this states that even if the dog has a valid DNA test they will still take another sample. |
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Post by Dyenga on Apr 19, 2011 2:10:21 GMT -5
You're right Tamara, I did'nt read very well.....besides the fact that my dogs will never do the ZTP, I can ubderstand this rule. But taking a sample from dogs who're in possession of a DNA profile looks like crap.....I've my doubts abt the real raison behind this.....
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Post by vrulli on Apr 19, 2011 8:10:11 GMT -5
You're right Tamara, I did'nt read very well.....besides the fact that my dogs will never do the ZTP, I can ubderstand this rule. But taking a sample from dogs who're in possession of a DNA profile looks like crap.....I've my doubts abt the real raison behind this..... Dyenga, Sonterra, and all... Interesting rule indeed. Sounds like there is a great concern (with the DV) about owners providing false documents? Isn't the ZTP a minimum breeding requirement? (In Europe) Maybe the "heightened security" is a good thing? If only to help improve the breed. Virginia |
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Post by Cassie on Apr 19, 2011 10:41:37 GMT -5
The concern seems to be handlers lying about which dog is trialing. Why is this a concern, and why would someone falsify that?
The only thing I can think of is that dog A is a shitter and wouldn't pass if his life depended on it, and they brought dog B to pass so Dog A would have the title. Not very honest, and pretty stupid. Not good sportmanship!
Does anyone know why this rule has taken effect?
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Post by Bitten on Apr 19, 2011 10:53:35 GMT -5
Cassie ...
Sorry, but no - and personally I don't understand it, as most dogs within EU are either tattooed or chipped - easy to check ID.
BUT given the opportunity, I will ask on the 30st of April ...
Bitten
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Post by elucas on Apr 19, 2011 11:15:10 GMT -5
Is there just the one ZTP offering this year? Anyone know if the ADA is putting on any this year? I can't seem to get a response to my emails.
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I already had knowledge of the new rules. Only my opinion on the whole thing. It's quite clear I am not a fan of the currant DV but I do think the DNA is very valuable.
