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Post by tara on Feb 22, 2011 11:57:03 GMT -5
Greetings WDF!
I'm hoping this board & its' members will help me inmy serch for my next "Wonderdobe!" I currently have a pet quality brown female that enjoys agility, obedience & playing "scare the bear!" I live in black bear country & she does an amazing job of keeping them off the property.
I may have caught the schutzhund bug last summer when I went to a trial with a friend who has a shepherd so I'd like my future dobe to be a "real" dobe and not just a needy know-it-all! I am only an hour from the closest club that was higly recommended, they are german shepherd folks but hopefully they'll let us play.
As I begin researching breeders and pedigrees, I hope you all will have patience with me!
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Post by rosamburg on Feb 22, 2011 12:15:12 GMT -5
Welcome from Bellingham, Washington. Look forward to your contribution to the forum.
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Post by Jag on Feb 22, 2011 12:20:41 GMT -5
it can be iffy getting a doberman (or any dog) from Europe- so if you do go with someone over there- I'd be very careful. There are some wonderful working dobermann breeders here in the US. From personal experience, I would contact Wendy from Landgraf dobermans- she has the real working dobermans that can kick ass... hard. I'm sure other people will chime in with other recommendations from their personal experiences as well!  and please feel free to ask any questions, post pictures, and update us on your puppy!!! Also feel free to join the chatroom when you see people in there.  |
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Post by LRadcliffe on Feb 22, 2011 14:48:52 GMT -5
It can be " iffy " getting a dobermann puppy in the USA too!
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Post by Vadim on Feb 22, 2011 14:59:38 GMT -5
Welcome from San Diego! Looking forward to seeing you online...
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Post by dobermanman on Feb 22, 2011 17:18:41 GMT -5
It can be " iffy " getting a dobermann puppy in the USA too! It's a lot less "iffy" in either case, if you do your due diligence. At least if you're in the same country it's a lot easier to "visit" or sue. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for some fool who buys a "working" Dobermann based on a slick ad or internet website and then whines like a bitch when they realize they've got a crapper. :-( |
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Post by cashmando1 on Feb 22, 2011 21:48:11 GMT -5
Hello and welcome to the forum!
I do believe there are some quality breeders in the u.s. but like anything do your homework. You should be looking for a breeder that is working and titling their dogs in the sport. Does health testing and can hopefully mentor you along the way.
I have been lucky and have a breeder that I can call pretty much anytime and talk "shop" with. I think it's important to have that when you are new in the sport. Also having a good club that will guide you along the way. Good luck!
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Post by LRadcliffe on Feb 22, 2011 21:56:17 GMT -5
When I was looking to buy a pure workingline dobermann it was very limited in the US and most of those breeders had imported from germany. But at some point we will begin to see a few more here. As for Euro/show lines I would say it is very "iffy" to import. I just like to support the breeder's abroad because for the most part IMO they are the ones who are keeping the lines going and I have a lot of respect for them.
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Post by dobermanman on Feb 23, 2011 9:34:51 GMT -5
When I was looking to buy a pure workingline dobermann it was very limited in the US and most of those breeders had imported from germany. But at some point we will begin to see a few more here. As for Euro/show lines I would say it is very "iffy" to import. I just like to support the breeder's abroad because for the most part IMO they are the ones who are keeping the lines going and I have a lot of respect for them. Lisa Schuller (Germania/Ascomannis) was selling working Dobermanns in Canada and then the US twenty years ago. There was no reason to go outside the US then, there is less reason now with Wendy Schmitt and John K (amongst others) producing as good or better working Dobermanns as you can get from Europe. I just like to support the breeders who trial and test and produce their Dobermanns HERE |
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Post by cashmando1 on Feb 23, 2011 15:06:48 GMT -5
I totally agree, like I said there are GOOD quality breeders right here in N.A. No need to go to Europe in my opinion. Plus you have the benefit of seeing the puppies and mother, and meeting your breeder.
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Post by LRadcliffe on Feb 23, 2011 15:39:52 GMT -5
Thomas, If my post some how insinuated to some people I do not support the Breeders in the US that was not my intent of course I do. In fact IMO Lisa is the one who had the for thought to bring in the lines she did and we all owe her a lot!! But the pool is small enough and if everyone only buys from a few here well that would make things even smaller. It's a little like having a forum were only a few people post and there are still lot's of others out there with a lot of good info from all over who remain silent. |
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Post by dobermanman on Feb 23, 2011 19:02:39 GMT -5
Thomas, If my post some how insinuated to some people I do not support the Breeders in the US that was not my intent of course I do. In fact IMO Lisa is the one who had the for thought to bring in the lines she did and we all owe her a lot!! But the pool is small enough and if everyone only buys from a few here well that would make things even smaller. It's a little like having a forum were only a few people post and there are still lot's of others out there with a lot of good info from all over who remain silent. I was just going by what you wrote in your previous message "I just like to support the breeder's abroad because for the most part IMO they are the ones who are keeping the lines going and I have a lot of respect for them." |
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Post by tara on Feb 23, 2011 19:40:02 GMT -5
Thank you all for the welcomes & the input. I'd really prefer to "buy American" just becasue I'd hope to be able to meet the dogs and the offspring, see how the breeder keeps the dogs etc. Also as of now I don't have any contacts in Europe to help point me in the right direction. The dogs at Landgraf look very strong and the breed seems to have a sound philosophy towards the breed. I'm within driving distance to Cara & Bellavoros who both have titled dogs so I may start there. ANyone have dogs from these breeders?
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Post by dobermanman on Feb 23, 2011 21:17:56 GMT -5
Thank you all for the welcomes & the input. I'd really prefer to "buy American" just becasue I'd hope to be able to meet the dogs and the offspring, see how the breeder keeps the dogs etc. Also as of now I don't have any contacts in Europe to help point me in the right direction. The dogs at Landgraf look very strong and the breed seems to have a sound philosophy towards the breed. I'm within driving distance to Cara & Bellavoros who both have titled dogs so I may start there. ANyone have dogs from these breeders? HI Tara, My personal opinion, IF your main interest is in Schutzhund? Then I'd go with one of the Working breeders like Landgraf or John K or Ascomannis. With proper training they will be more likely to trial on any field and do well. IF you're looking for the "total Dobermann" and want to compete in conformation and Schutzhund then Cara or Bellalavoros would be a better choice. The caveat is (IMHO) these dogs aren't as strong in Schutzhund and require a home field advantage or a professional trainer. |
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Post by LRadcliffe on Feb 23, 2011 21:39:09 GMT -5
Tara, It's always great to meet the breeders and see the dogs but if you are looking for a sport prospect, one of the things I did that helped was to look at as many of the litter mates all threw the pedigree to see how many have titles and what kind. Not just the dogs on the pedigree. Working dog.eu is a great place to do this. I wish you luck and much happiness with your new puppy were ever he comes from!
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