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Post by Jag on Jan 24, 2011 6:52:12 GMT -5
I saw this on a reputable rescue site... that one of the dobes was just "longer coated" and there are many reasons why people think this happens sometimes. are there longer coated dobes? I know the doberman originally DID have a longer coat in the Herr Dobermann days... I honestly wouldn't mind a little longer coat for the dobe myself- although I like how easy their baths are.  anyway would love to hear if people know anything about this, I never heard it before. |
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Post by Bitten on Jan 24, 2011 8:52:29 GMT -5
This have been seen occasionally - like in the C-litter of Odenwald - both Cilia and Cliff had a somewhat longer coat - has also been seen in some combination back over Binselberg.
It's an "old" trait, which in between pops up, just like "under wool" and which doesn't have preference according to the FCI standard.
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Post by sonterra on Jan 24, 2011 11:00:47 GMT -5
My boy has a longer-ish coat.
Tamara McIntosh
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Post by Bitten on Jan 24, 2011 11:07:50 GMT -5
My boy has a longer-ish coat. Tamara McIntosh Might be able to developement due to weather conditions - this have been seen too. |
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Post by sonterra on Jan 24, 2011 11:21:26 GMT -5
My boy has a longer-ish coat. Tamara McIntosh Might be able to developement due to weather conditions - this have been seen too. Hey B! Yes I would probably agree that it does have an effect for sure, as he does spend quite a bit of time outside no matter what the weather. However he came to me as a puppy with a much longer coat. It is noticably longer than Irpa's was (mind you irpa had a very short coat). On a side note, I have noticed that both my "euro" dobes have a much better ability to withstand the cold and heat than my NA showline male had. Last march Riker did Dog in White for ring 2 at a trial in a huge downpour, which my showline male would not have stepped foot in. Tamara McIntosh |
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Post by symmetrydobes on Jan 24, 2011 12:23:43 GMT -5
My first dobe had a very long coat. He came from very old show lines and was heavily line bred. The coat is still wirey feeling but is obviously longer than what a dobe coat should be. He also had pretty heavy undercoat on his neck. Yuck.
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Post by Jag on Jan 24, 2011 18:22:55 GMT -5
very interesting!
do any of you have pictures of these longer-coated dobes?
I would love some under wool.
Elsa's mom is very hairy, so Ive heard.
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Post by aweaver on Jan 24, 2011 20:50:43 GMT -5
We were just talking about my "hairy" pup last night! My puppy has a longer coat than any of my previous dobes (7 before her). I think only dobermann people would notice it. You can feel it better than you can see it. And while I do live in New England, she lives inside and has had it since her puppy coat grew out. I'll attach a picture, but you really have to see it in person to know that it's longer than normal. Alissa Attachments:
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Post by aweaver on Jan 24, 2011 21:27:27 GMT -5
OK. Since we have been making jokes about my hairy pup for months now, I just took pictures of all the dobermanns in my house.  All 3 shots are from the dog's shoulders so you can compare. From left to right is the "long-coated" puppy, my 6 year old bitch, and my 4 year old male. Alissa Attachments:
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Post by Jag on Jan 24, 2011 22:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by aweaver on Jan 24, 2011 23:07:59 GMT -5
After being involved in rescue for too many years and personally having my hands on hundreds of dobermanns, I would have a very hard time believing that dog is a purebred. I'm attaching a picture of a litter that came into rescue. You could swear the blue male on the left is purebred (if you didn't see the whole litter). Note that he is the only one in the litter that the breeder docked. I have seen breeders sell these dogs as rare over-sized dobermanns, except they also happen to have great danes that they breed as well! I call them danermanns! Alissa P.S. In case you might think that the picture below is the results of different males mated to a dobe female, the mom was clearly a danerman herself and looked much like the merle puppy, second from the right. Attachments:
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Post by Bitten on Jan 25, 2011 5:21:02 GMT -5
I would love some under wool. That's a curent DQ within the FCI standard for Dobermann. |
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Post by KaraFitzpatrick on Jan 25, 2011 8:48:33 GMT -5
yeah, but the original doberman DID have a longer, more wool coat.
I'm not saying it's in "the standard".. just saying I wouldn't mind the longer, original dobermann coat.
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Post by Bitten on Jan 25, 2011 9:34:01 GMT -5
yeah, but the original doberman DID have a longer, more wool coat. I'm not saying it's in "the standard".. just saying I wouldn't mind the longer, original dobermann coat. Which period of time are you refering to - and do descripe the "original" coat of the Dobermann. |
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Post by Kara Fitzpatrick on Jan 25, 2011 11:24:51 GMT -5
when herr dobermann created the breed, the first dobermanns had longer coats... I don't know how else to describe it to you? have you seen pictures... please look. you can see the longer (not extreme- more like a rottis coat) coat in the dobermann from the past in pictures. there are other things that look EXTREMELY different from todays dobes, especially show dobermans... like head and chest size. example... this is Grönland, son of Bosco and Cäsi, some of the earliest dobermans: www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/70828/Prinz-Matzi-von-Groenland |
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All 3 shots are from the dog's shoulders so you can compare. From left to right is the "long-coated" puppy, my 6 year old bitch, and my 4 year old male.
