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Post by spoons on Nov 14, 2011 20:45:52 GMT -5
can somebody explain the pros and cons
my dog bites the sleve with a good hard full grip
but when the sleve is sliped runs a few feet then puts it on the gound and begins to chewill this cause problems in the future work or is it nothing to worry about
on a side note on the last bite and the sleve is sliped she will run
with it in her mouth and not drop it for about 10 min
thanks to future replys
shem hetep
nuk au neter
spoons
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Nellie
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Post by Nellie on Nov 15, 2011 13:03:28 GMT -5
We have had very few dogs that would do a 'carry' without either spitting the sleeve to go for the decoy or thrashing is so violently that the handler had massive shin bruises!!
This is a non-issue for us as the dog never gets to carry the sleeve in a trial. We take the opportunity to tease the dog 'over' the sleeve for the ones that spit it out. As for the ones that thrash it well, we deal with them as we can, using it in some way to our advantage.
If the dog chooses to hold and carry nicely well, that's just fine also. It just depends on the dog.
Nellie
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Post by Nellie on Nov 15, 2011 16:56:35 GMT -5
but when the sleve is sliped runs a few feet then puts it on the gound and begins to chewill this cause problems in the future work or is it nothing to worry about Oops - I forgot to reply to this question.... It is the combined job of the decoy and the handler to be sure that the dog is not allowed to bite (and certainly never chew) dead prey! Without seeing this I cannot advise you how to do it. Normally we pull the dog back (slightly) away from the sleeve once it is on the ground. Then the decoy can tease the dog without the dog being able to rebite. The decoy should, as soon as the dog is clear of the sleeve, redirect the dogs focus to him while he retrieves the sleeve. At least this is how we do it, others may have a different answer for you. |
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Post by sonterra on Nov 15, 2011 18:40:09 GMT -5
can somebody explain the pros and cons my dog bites the sleve with a good hard full grip but when the sleve is sliped runs a few feet then puts it on the gound and begins to chewill this cause problems in the future work or is it nothing to worry about on a side note on the last bite and the sleve is sliped she will run with it in her mouth and not drop it for about 10 min thanks to future replys shem hetep nuk au neter spoons The carry I have found inconsequential, unless the dog needs to release stress and gain confidence from the hold. I find it detrimental to super possessive dogs, as it messes with their out, but if you are in a sport where it doesn't matter, then who cares. However the chewy-ness on the dead article can carry over onto the bite, if you do not curb it. |
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Post by spoons on Nov 15, 2011 20:45:14 GMT -5
thanks for all the imput
we are not working any sport in general
and use bite work as an outlet ( somthing fun to do )
this is the first dog ive worked and iam trying to work out some handler issues
so the chewiness on this dog isnt a big deal
but still wanted opinions
i have future plans to get a more serious dog
so iam trying to learn as much as posible now
shem hetep
nuk au neter
spoons
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Post by rosamburg on Nov 17, 2011 1:32:54 GMT -5
In our system we see the carry as vitally important to the overall quality of the work. It rewards the dog, sets the grip and settles the dog. That said, we would not allow possessiveness as described.
I would describe the opposite in our system as far as the carry affecting the out. We have the say when the dog will out and would correct the dog for dropping the sleeve. Overall in our system the handler having control over when the dog can be allowed to release the sleeve actually improves the out.
We strive for complete balance in drives. We want the dog to work in the appropriate drive given the situation. In our work if a dog becomes out of balance and is showing too much focus on the sleeve and not the man (helper) then typically we would go to the body suit for a few sessions.
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Post by cashmando1 on Dec 1, 2011 16:27:39 GMT -5
For the longest time we worked on Cash holding the sleeve. He would spit it out and then go back at the helper. Cash has always had a full hard bite on the sleeve.
Anyways I gave up trying to get him to hold the sleeve, it just wasn't worth the possible fall out. He also has a perfect out in training. I have seen absolutely no problems so far with my dog not holding the sleeve.
I agree with others that being chewy on the sleeve should not be tolerated.
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