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Post by cashmando1 on Oct 3, 2011 12:04:34 GMT -5
Interesting Cash just failed the WAE at the Nationals! He did everything very well and scored high on all the stations except the neutral stranger and part of the uneven footing. I am left scratching my head a little. So because he walked by the neutral stranger, did not avoid him in any scary way just didn't find him interesting. He scored a -1 which is still a pass. But on the black plastic that was wet he went on it, off it, and then back on it. Given the choice on a six foot loose leash he would rather not walk on it. Again was not afraid, honestly I think he just didn't understand what was wanted of him. So others held there leash shorter but loose and the dogs then just walked by there side. The plastic was about three feet wide. Anyways on the chain fencing I shortened the leash a little and he was fine on it. Apparently they have to make the choice to want to walk on the plastic to pass. Interesting because he passed the TT last year and had no problem with the uneven footing. On a side note he was awesome with the aggresive stranger.  So based on him not staying on the plastic for 3/4 of the way he failed the WAE. |
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Post by odiakkoh on Oct 4, 2011 10:01:10 GMT -5
That sucks. What was he supposed to do while walking by the stranger?
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Post by dobermanman on Oct 4, 2011 19:56:23 GMT -5
Both my dogs failed the WAE last month at the Aggressive Stranger station and both (plus my GSD male)passed the ATTS TT the VERY Next day. The WAE is too inconsistent for me to enter another.
It's supposed to be a temperament test not a test of training. The aggressive stranger is supposed
to see if the dog will alert/protect NOT how sensitive their hearing is :-(
If your dog has passed the TT I'd leave it at that
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Post by cashmando1 on Oct 5, 2011 9:09:58 GMT -5
That sucks. What was he supposed to do while walking by the stranger? Actually he did walk by, that's basically why he scored a -1. So the neutral stranger approaches, you stop with the stranger in front of you. They ask a question and your dog should approach and acknowledge them. So Cash walked by, came back and stood waiting for me. The friendly stranger he jumped on and passed with flying colours! Go figure. |
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Post by cashmando1 on Oct 5, 2011 9:32:17 GMT -5
Both my dogs failed the WAE last month at the Aggressive Stranger station and both (plus my GSD male)passed the ATTS TT the VERY Next day. The WAE is too inconsistent for me to enter another. It's supposed to be a temperament test not a test of training. The aggressive stranger is supposed to see if the dog will alert/protect NOT how sensitive their hearing is :-( If your dog has passed the TT I'd leave it at that So why did they fail? There hearing wasn't sensitive enough..lol Although I thought they were being pretty tough in the scoring. I felt that they were being inconsistant in how people took there dogs through. So some people held there leash with only about 2-4 feet of looseness. The tester made a point at the beginning to let your dog have all 6 feet of leash. The TT in Canada is exactly like the WAE, not the ATTS. The only major difference is the TT you cannot talk to your dog. Anyways no big deal, I'm not trying to be a poor sport or anthing. Just wanted to say why Cash failed. I'm just glad he did well on the aggressive stranger. |
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Post by odiakkoh on Oct 5, 2011 10:24:37 GMT -5
That sucks. What was he supposed to do while walking by the stranger? Actually he did walk by, that's basically why he scored a -1. So the neutral stranger approaches, you stop with the stranger in front of you. They ask a question and your dog should approach and acknowledge them. So Cash walked by, came back and stood waiting for me. The friendly stranger he jumped on and passed with flying colours! Go figure. Ah I gotcha. |
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Post by dobermanman on Oct 5, 2011 17:27:00 GMT -5
Too sensitive :-)
Arya jumped behind me and circled around the other side. Flann jumped behind but stayed on the same side and then went back in front. Going behind was an automatic failure.
I nearly jumped out of my skin and I know what was going to happen ;-)
One of the dogs that passed started barking before the Aggressive stranger came out from behind the van or was presenting any threat.
The ATTS and WAE have the same stations. You can't talk to your dog in the ATTS TT either.
The ATTS test flows smoother. You move through the stations and don't start and stop at each station waiting for the judge. In the ATTS TT breed and training is taken into consideration.
I agree, no big deal. I thought it was interesting that I'd never failed a WAE or a ATTS before and then I failed TWO dogs at the same WAE but passed the same basic test the very next day?
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Post by silentdobe on Nov 27, 2011 2:04:26 GMT -5
Wow, guess my flop-eared dobe would fail due to his ears not being erect. He may not "hear everything" lol.
So, is the WAE just a joke then? I was looking into getting Silence into the test now I'm not sure...
I'd have to travel a bit and I don't want to leave a simple test like that just on those terms. I'm sorry Cash didn't pass for seemingly bogus reasons...
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Post by cashmando1 on Nov 28, 2011 8:18:09 GMT -5
Thanks.
I wouldn't call the WAE a joke. I think it's a good idea if say your dog is a pet and you don't know much about how he would react to different things. But I think if your dog is heavily involved in a venue where most of this stuff is tested on a regular basis anyways it's kind of a waste.
I wouldn't go out of your way to do it that's for sure.
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Post by silentdobe on Nov 29, 2011 0:40:32 GMT -5
Good to know, thanks!!!  |
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Post by sonterra on Dec 5, 2011 10:40:36 GMT -5
So, is the WAE just a joke then? I was looking into getting Silence into the test now I'm not sure... I'd have to travel a bit and I don't want to leave a simple test like that just on those terms. I'm sorry Cash didn't pass for seemingly bogus reasons... Your dogs PSA 1 speaks a thousand fold better for the dogs workability than a WAE or even a TT. I would not spend any money travelling to a WAE when your dog is already titled. I think the only thing a WAE proves is that the dog is sharp. It doesn't even mean a dog would bite, just that they will bark. The WAE was made for people that do not work their dogs by people that do not work their dogs, to prove to themselves that their dogs can work, even tho generations of their dogs have not. |
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Post by silentdobe on Dec 8, 2011 12:29:46 GMT -5
Thanks for honest opinions. I think just out of training reasons that Silence may not pass because he can be reactive to certain things that surprise him. You are right, it's not worth it then.
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