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Post by juanfernandez on Aug 25, 2011 16:01:14 GMT -5
I'd like to hear some opinions
Some of you think the dog sport is currently focused more to get points, titles or win championships that get really service dogs as in the beginning?
How this has affected the working dog breeds?
I've seen some dogs imported from Europe of diverse breeds with SchH III titles that make me cry and think that not all dog trainers and judges are honest enough.
I have seen also in Mexico titled dogs do not deserve this distinction
I hope not to offend anyone with this comment Thanks in advance!
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Post by bergkonig on Aug 31, 2011 9:37:48 GMT -5
Definitely it’s an interesting subject to talk. As for my personal opinion and the dogs and videos I have seen, the GS in the 80´s seemed to have much more aggression than nowadays. Of course the training techniques have change a lot, and those dogs who were the winners in the WUSV championships with 96, 97 or 98 in B obedience phase, nowadays will barely get some 80 points. On the C phase, protection, I have seen that the techniques of the helpers also have increased a lot; the movements the helpers used in the 80´s can be now seen as "rookie" movements. Also I can observe more prey drive in the “revier”. Well known judges can make a good difference when the change of drives are made and they apply it on the scorecard. Regarding Juan´s question, I think many breeders (all races) use schutzhund as an effective tool and guide to breed. In the pursuit of bred “good” dogs they select the ones that are successful in competitions. As we all know in Europe the SchH has become a very “profitable” industry, for decades they have sold many “great” (useless) SchH3 dogs mainly to the USA. With this as a huge form of money making, breeders, trainers, handlers and judges have titled many many dogs. So in my opinion the question should be: Has the main objective of the SchH program change from, getting real service dogs to getting titled dogs and dogs that earn points and win championships? I truly believe that the rules for scoring have to change a little bit, regarding grading instincts, drive changes, intensity and drive phases. Of course I have not been involved in SchH for many years; so many people here in the forum can have a much more accurate opinion than mine.
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Post by juanfernandez on Sept 1, 2011 9:21:05 GMT -5
This is Rene, I agree that it should review the rules and judging criteria because they could be building clay idols, and the worst part is that these idols of clay will be the most wanted studs to breed with them. In my opinion, dogs too tough or dominant, are often not desirable because their training requires more time, expertise and some risk, are not dogs for everyone and maybe not the ones who win championships but is the type of I personally like dog and I can understand disagreement with this opinion.
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Post by juanfernandez on Sept 1, 2011 9:29:36 GMT -5
I know this could be a tricky issue But it's sad not to know the opinion of many dobermann people that usually comment here, maybe we are the only ones crazy who think similar Rene!!!
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Post by anneconroy on Sept 2, 2011 16:03:34 GMT -5
This has already happened hasn't it?? I actually think in some ways it is better now than it was a few years ago.
anne conroy
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