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Post by dobermanman on Apr 13, 2011 17:14:22 GMT -5
Hi Tamara,
I think the entry limit has to do with needing four venues (Interior, Exterior, Vehicle and box drill) and space requirements. The reason for trialing one dog is so you don't have an unfair advantage knowing where the hide is for the second dog? They didn't have the number of entries they expected so there is room for all dogs. The plan is for my wife to handle Arya and I'll do Flann, depending on how training goes
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Post by sonterra on Apr 13, 2011 18:23:45 GMT -5
Hi Tamara, I think the entry limit has to do with needing four venues (Interior, Exterior, Vehicle and box drill) and space requirements. The reason for trialing one dog is so you don't have an unfair advantage knowing where the hide is for the second dog? They didn't have the number of entries they expected so there is room for all dogs. The plan is for my wife to handle Arya and I'll do Flann, depending on how training goes best of luck Thomas! I hope your dogs do great! |
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Post by grabichler on Apr 22, 2011 18:06:05 GMT -5
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Post by dobermanman on Jun 4, 2011 21:41:47 GMT -5
Trial Update: Arya passed the Container, Exterior and Interior but failed the vehicle search for a false alert. I was within 6" of the hide when I called the alert but was told the dog's nose had to be ON the source?  ? Flann (with Jana handling) passed the container, but timed out on the exterior. Jana thought he'd found the source but didn't want to call an alert until he searched all the area. She planned on returning to the 1st source at the 30 second mark, but either she didn't hear or they didn't give one :-( He did the interior OK but twisted her ankle on the vehicle search and couldn't complete the exercise :-( There is talk about a December trial but I'm not sure I'm into taking another six months training with either dog, when I can only trial one dog at a time and both dogs are doing other sports. Especially irksome is to be called for a "false alert" because her alert wasn't "on source", without being asked verbally to pinpoint the source. Live and learn |
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Post by laceync on Jun 6, 2011 8:39:52 GMT -5
No doubt your frustrated Thomas....but I really hope you will attempt certification again. you obviously spent the time training them on odor and detailed search technique...would be a waste of THE TIME YOU ALREADY SPENT if you don't continue. I personally have found that dogs that have already been trained on whatever odor....only need proficiency training a couple of times a week prior to another certification attempt. It appears that that this certification body is much like our Police Narcotics Certification (USPCA/
NAPWDA) in regards to handler call of find 6ft from the source - which is also considered a false alert/indication because it is on odor (fringe) not source . Curious to know where your dog showed you a change in behavior first and if you've trained them to work to source and give a final indication so things are clearer for both you and your dogs. I hope you don't take my questions as questioning your training methods or dogs abilities as that is not my intent....I trained and had certified numerous dogs for PSD Narc work and am always interested in other methods of training.
Even with one of my PSD's who certified 8 years straight and correctly indicated thousands of times on the street, I found that I had a few indications on odor rather then source during proficiency training. I had to take a good hard look at my proficiency training (had someone videotape) and saw that every once in awhile, on known hides, I was rewarding to quickly (on odor rather then source) even if they were only 3 inches from source - it's kinda like teaching a dog a perfect front and then subsequently rewarding for not be perfectly centered and close...give em an inch they'll end up taking a mile and get farther away from the correctness they were initially taught. After realizing my training faults, I did alot of unknown finds (having someone else hide the substances) so that I would have no choice but to require the dog to work the odor and show me (nose placed on odor staring intently then a sit) the final indication on source before calling the find, being told the dog was indeed on odor and then I rewarded.
Obviously your dogs know odor........I think it would just take a little tweaking to certify with flying colors - I really hope you continue. There are a few search techniques (for directed searches rather then casting) that I learned from some of the top trainers in police work that might help time wise for the interior of bldg and interior of vehicle search. Not something I want to put out on a public forum to share with drug traffickers....but I'd be more then willing to share in a PM if your interested. Either way......congrats on getting out there and attempting certification!
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Post by anneconroy on Jun 6, 2011 10:44:41 GMT -5
Thomas is pretty tenacious -- !!!
anne conroy
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Post by sonterra on Jun 7, 2011 11:20:09 GMT -5
Thomas,
Great effort on your part with training 2 dogs in a new sport. I guess like any other sport, you don't learn the idiosyncracies of the sport until you have trialled in the system. I know it is a big time committment to train/trial in two sports, but being so close I hope you do continue on with it. But even if you do not, great effort!
Lacey, great post thank you for the insight!
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Post by dobermanman on Aug 20, 2012 13:06:56 GMT -5
Update on K9 NW
Flann and Arya both passed Anise and Clove ORT's on Saturday 8/11 :-)
Andrew Ramsey and Karen Shivers are working with the UKC to get Nose Work recognized as a titled sport and things are looking good. This is separate from NACSW. There is a Facebook page
UKCNoseWork and a Yahoo Groups where it's being discussed
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Post by Bitten on Aug 23, 2012 18:06:18 GMT -5
Great Thomas - congratulations to the participants.
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Post by dobermanman on Sept 24, 2012 16:39:34 GMT -5
Winterfell Arya earned her k9 Nose Work I (with the wife handling) yesterday
I handled Flann but he didn't quite make it. A little too much excitement from the IPO II the day before. Next Nose Work trial I'll be able to handle both my dogs, since Arya will be going for a II and Flann his NW I
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Post by sonterra on Sept 25, 2012 13:18:31 GMT -5
Winterfell Arya earned her k9 Nose Work I (with the wife handling) yesterday I handled Flann but he didn't quite make it. A little too much excitement from the IPO II the day before. Next Nose Work trial I'll be able to handle both my dogs, since Arya will be going for a II and Flann his NW I Congrats!! |
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