Andy
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Post by Andy on Dec 30, 2009 6:04:49 GMT -5
Ive been looking and looking at things online. I just wanted to get peoples opinion of this particular kennel here in the USA. www.sierradobiefarms.com/I will be looking and browsing a lot before I actually make a decision on which kennel and person to buy from. I also understand that they may not chose to purcahse one of their puppies. If thats the case....I will have to keep looking. Thanks Andy |
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Post by sonterra on Dec 30, 2009 10:47:09 GMT -5
Where to start.... Most breeders have guarentees. Kimbertal is not some paragon of virture because the offer a guarentee. Most breeders check hips, heart, eyes and vWD and some check thyroid and elbows as well. For the most part breeders are good people who care a great deal about their dogs and their progeny. The kennel you have listed in this thread looks like another commercial breeder. There are very limited if any titles on those dogs. Why would you buy another dog from untitled parents?  If you want a puppy for work, get it from a proven WORKING kennel. My advice to you is that you choose a breeder whom actually HAS titled dogs, and preferably dogs they have titled themselves so they have a clue about working and drives. I am not sure WHY you keep gravitating towards commercial breeders of non working dogs. WHAT is it about the dogs from this kennel that you see that you think shows potential??? You have stated that you want a WORKING dog, have been given many good working kennel names from experienced forum members and yet you ask about this breeder?? Go and make contact with the kennel names that were provided by the forum members. Tamara McIntosh |
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fonfy Florin Niculescu
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Post by fonfy Florin Niculescu on Dec 30, 2009 11:37:46 GMT -5
good morning, Tamara I noticed that you moderate this forum I'm sure what I will tell you now you will not like and that ........... . 15 years are in North America when I noticed a phenomenon after a person automatically thinks he has a Dobermann breeder. Once you start taking lesson scHh begin to be professional. inttreba you tease me about reading EU Dobermann of life were seen about every time you visit Europe? are about the village of North American experts who have seen their lives 3 Dobermann, maybe You will understand what I want to tell you. SUCES MORE ........ Florin Niculescu www.bodyguardk9.com |
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Post by sonterra on Dec 30, 2009 12:01:17 GMT -5
fonfy,
please register for the forum.
>> inttreba you tease me about reading EU Dobermann of life were seen about every time you visit Europe? are about the village of North American experts who have seen their lives 3 Dobermann,>>
I have got to admit I did not understand a great deal of your post. I would much rather talk to the person whom has worked 3 dobermanns and titled them in sport, than to someone whom has only SEEN hundreds of dobermanns. The person that has actually worked and trialled their dogs KNOWS the mettle of their dogs. A person whom merely SEES dogs may or may not know what they are talking about, and it is purely opinion.
However I will say that if a person wants a dog to get to sch 3 or excell in that sport, then your best odds lie with dogs whom have been trained to that level and breeders whom also WORK their own dogs to that level. The proof is in the pudding.
Of course there is always a chance you can get a great dog out of no where from some person's backyard and it will be a genius, but how many dogs will you have to go thru before you find one that can.... IF you can. If the parents are not titled, have not proven themselves a person is taking a RISK on finding a real working prospect!
This person is asking for kennels that produce PROVEN working dogs. He has already been given a very good starting list, of people who are respectable, dedicated and whom work and breed TITLED dogs.
Tamara McIntosh
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Post by Bitten on Dec 30, 2009 12:52:48 GMT -5
Ive been looking and looking at things online. I just wanted to get peoples opinion of this particular kennel here in the USA. www.sierradobiefarms.com/I will be looking and browsing a lot before I actually make a decision on which kennel and person to buy from. I also understand that they may not chose to purcahse one of their puppies. If thats the case....I will have to keep looking. Thanks Andy Saw a "familiar" dog on that web site - wonder how he ended up in the USA and as an import from Serbia. Don't wish to comment further ... |
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fonfy Florin Niculescu
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Post by fonfy Florin Niculescu on Dec 30, 2009 14:30:56 GMT -5
inceleg not? what's wrong with the Dobermann in Serbia? but at least this breeder has made an effort and imported something new in the U.S.. you have made you who re acvest moderators on the forum and I'm sure you think of this breed specialists. are not expert in English writing. but after 35 years in breeding and training where I held many of scHh Dobermann were 111 IPOs in the same time 3 and conformation champions know what a Dobermann, I think you still much to learn. Dobermann YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF YOU AND CAM What think ye OF NORTH AMERICA WHAT scHh ALA. Inti LEARNED GENETICS (not the internet) and maybe then ever know what is a leash. I advise the Learning STANDARD Because I have seen TOO MANY TO YOU Cini who will take ZTP. I wish you suces ......... Florin Niculescu www.bodyguardk9.com ps. IF NOT ITELEGETI EC SCRU AND A phone you want to learn DATIMI Canada 416-706-7521 |
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Post by Vadim on Dec 30, 2009 15:38:07 GMT -5
Florin,
I must ask you again to please register for the forum if you want to continue to post.
We are having trouble understanding your posts in English. Sometimes your posts even appear to be insulting. I hope this is a language issue....
Is French your primary language?
If so I may be able to add a translator that will allow you to post in French while allowing others to use the tool to translate into the language of their choice.
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fonfy Florin Niculescu
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Post by fonfy Florin Niculescu on Dec 30, 2009 16:34:41 GMT -5
Vadim, I am not insulting anyone, but know the truth very much upset by some personalities. do not know why you mind if I'm not registered. I said my name and I Florin Niculescu www.bodyguardk9.com kennel. not write well in English, if this is a problem you know what to do ------------------ |
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Post by Vadim on Dec 30, 2009 16:42:50 GMT -5
Florin,
Is French your first language? If not what is your primary language?
You are not being singled out. I am trying to help you. All guests are asked to register. I ask that you register so I can send you private messages and you can send PM's to other members. This way personal discussion can stay off the forum. Have a problem with someone's personality, you can send them a PM.
Only registered members will be able to post to the forum after this initial ramp up period.
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patrick
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Post by patrick on Dec 30, 2009 19:16:44 GMT -5
The site mentioned Daim van 't Hof ter Helle as Serbian import? ?? Hof ter Helle is a Belgian kennel so I don't quiet get it? |
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Andy
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Post by Andy on Dec 30, 2009 22:03:13 GMT -5
The kennel that I posted has a half brother to my First male, Azric.....yes, he was a crap shoot, but he amazed EVERYONE at how well he did. He was able to turn it on and off like a light switch. Was very well behaved, took him to festivals and parades....he loved everyone---but one word and he turned on. One word and he was back to loving. I was lookin for his brothers and sisters on a pedigree website and came across that particular kennel. The Kennel also shows videos and pictures of the dogs doing the bitework. They have 4 planned breedings for next year. To me that doesnt really sound like a commercial breeder. As for titles....What titles should I be lookin for? As for potential.......Well, seeing the photos and videos of the parents actually doing the work.
Also, while emailing certain kennels......I sent an emailing stating what I am wanting, what dogs I already have and gave some background info on myself. Now....the response I gotten from a couple of them (others havent responded yet) was very simple. " I will not place a male puppy in a household with another intact male" and same goes for the females. So, I guess that kinda got rid of a couple of those names off that list. That is their choice, its their puppies, its their progeny.
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Post by Vadim on Dec 31, 2009 2:38:29 GMT -5
Andy,
You should be looking for breeders who use dogs titled in a protection sport. Since you are interested in Schutz you should look for a breeding between dogs who have proven them selves in this sport. Ideally the breeder will have trained the dog to the title them selves as this is the best way to learn about a dog's character.
In regards to the breeders that were recommended, they can certainly be picky about where their dogs go because they have developed a reputation of consistently breeding quality working dogs. Since most of them don't have litters very frequently, they often have a waiting list.
If you really want the best chance of getting a Dobermann that can excel in your chosen sport then you should take the time to continue to research the reputations and results of the breeders you are considering. Take the time to develop a relationship with a quality kennel, its worth the effort.
Good luck
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Post by handrolled on Dec 31, 2009 9:11:35 GMT -5
Hello Vadim, I can't get my head round this post , Florin is advertising his dogs fully trained at 10 months old uses a Scottish address and has been 35yrs in the breed. I only live 120 miles from Paisley and have never heard of him ! Brian |
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Post by sonterra on Dec 31, 2009 11:23:26 GMT -5
Hello,
Ok.. we should start here...
WHAT is your goal with your new dog? WHY are you getting another dog? What do you hope to accomplish with 2 new dogs that you can not with your current 3?
Tamara McIntosh
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Andy
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Post by Andy on Dec 31, 2009 14:11:05 GMT -5
I am wanting good sound stable working dogs. I want to get a SchHIII and IPOIII titles on them. I want them to go as far as they can, and hopefully all the way. I do NOT want a dog that has already been trained by someone else. I want a dog that I can train and take as far as he can go. The dogs I have now are great dogs and they are doing the work. I want 2 more dogs because I want 2 more dogs. Yes that will be a total of 5 dobies. However, I am wanting to add them while my other guys are still young so that way there is a better chance that everyone will get along in the house. I am wanting working lines because thats what I am doing with them. I will NOT be breeding any of them. Nevaeh and Zayn are segregated from each other when she is in heat. I do NOT want them to have puppies!!!!
Now, back to the the kennel doing the schutzhund work themselves. When i was browsing and doing research, I found A TON of doberman websites with puppies for sale. One of the reasons I wanted peoples opinions of this kennel was because of the pictures and videos. If you browse thru the pictures and videos, the owners of the dogs are out on the field with their dog doing the work. Tracking, protection and bitework. I thought that is what you were telling me to look for? Also, according the that particular website, they also test for (( vWD-clear - Hips-good - Elbows-normal)) Those are all good qualities. I am not understanding as to why you said they were another commercial kennel? What about them says commercial kennel (so i know what to look for) They only have 4 breedings planned for next year.
Im knew, I need it spelled out for me. I will be doing this sport with Dobermans and I want a doberman that is going to excell in the sport. I got on here to hopefully get some help with that and to learn what to look for.
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If you want a puppy for work, get it from a proven WORKING kennel.
