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Post by osirisdobermanns on Jan 27, 2011 13:43:18 GMT -5
With any of these dogs or their Offspring.. Or any Opinions too..
I am looking for another Dobe puppy within the next year and also may be looking for a stud for my current Girl.
Here are some names of dogs that interest me, because of Pedigrees, Titles, and Health results, Longevity I have looked at these dogs.
Most are not in the US.
Baron Daimler van der Fivelborgh
Uran Pais Bavaria (Bayern)
Vaso and Vero Pais Bavaria (Bayern)
Tahi-Reme Napoleon
Bojan vom Havelland
Predator v Hunnoterra
Quint v Edertal
Ottomac and Otamac Italian littermates IDC WM top placers last few years.
Ike von Nessaja
Hunter Hellerwald
Kravallo Vom Schmiedbaurgut ( One of my Favorites right now )
Ringo vom Burgwald
Rocco vom Burgwald
Comet vom Burghof
Falco v Burgstatte
Ernesto v Fachenfelde
Norris Black Gong
Ilk Black Gong ( just bred to be litter reabsorbed )
Frisco v Mooreiche ( Really like )
Enrico vom Ferrenburg
Titan Krahenbusch
I like Baron v Lechfeld and as a sire he produced some really good dogs from multiple different bitches.
When I started in Dobes 9 years ago I had an "Idea" of what I wanted in a dog, let alone a dobermann and my "Wants" in a Dobe have totally changed.
I imported my current girl in 2007 and she will be turning 4 in April.
She is from "Show" lines, which are titled in work, show and HD tested at least. Her mother and Grandmother are both SchH 3's the only Female dobes in Hungary to get that title so far.
I bought her mainly as a 'replacement Medical Alert Dog, as My neutered Male dobe was not the best Service Dog and preferred to be Lazy and did not like working. So I wanted a Puppy of Show and Working quality with Health and Longevity in the parents and Pedigree. So She was a great match for me and is an awesome working dog but I am so much more interested in (Working Lines) than I was before. I still plan on Titling my current girl.
I now want a puppy from working lines and I am willing to wait a year or more to find the right mating and puppy for me.
So if anyone has any input or experiences with any of these dogs and or their offspring let me know. Pms are fine too.
Jicole
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Post by Jag on Jan 27, 2011 18:56:47 GMT -5
great studs to ask about... I wonder about quite a few myself!
can't wait to hear what people say that know them personally and/or have seen them work.
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Post by rosamburg on Jan 28, 2011 2:21:46 GMT -5
I really like the Schattenfell bitch I am working. She has a lot of fire in her. Her sire was Kravallo Vom Schmiedbaurgut.
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Post by John K on Jan 28, 2011 6:02:09 GMT -5
I heard she's nice.....Bruno sends his love!  |
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Post by aweaver on Jan 28, 2011 11:36:26 GMT -5
I own a puppy out of Quint vom Edertal (http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/925440/Xtreme-di-Camugliano) and did a bit of research on him before I bought her. I was able to get opinions from a judge who he trialled under as well as people who have seen him in person and everyone had great things to say about his temperament as well as his working ability. There's lots of video on working-dogs.eu of his obedience and protection work. I never found any video of him tracking, but the tracking scores were consistent with the exception of the 2010 IDC WM tracking.
One of the things I like about him is his sister, Quira. Quint has obviously had good training, but his sister works much like he does, which made me feel that many of his abilities are genetic.
My puppy is only 9 months old now, so you'll have to give me a year or so before I can tell you how she really works, but I'm impressed so far. The limited tracking that we did before we got buried under snow was consistent and focused. She's got great food drive and toy drive, although she doesn't have much use for a ball but makes up for it with a tug. Her protection work is intense, but does need to build confidence. She does have a naturally full grip.
In the house she is a very happy go lucky girl who is very busy. She learns quickly and likes to work. She is aloof with strangers. She lives with 3 other dogs and does well with them, but is nervous with strange dogs. We are currently addressing this and one of the things I really like is that she recovers very quickly.
I have only done genetic health testing on her so far. She is vWD clear and negative for the known mutation that causes DCM.
There are quite a few dogs on your list that I had seriously considered before deciding to chose Quint, but I'll leave them to people with personal experience with their get.
Good luck!
Alissa
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Post by osirisdobermanns on Jan 28, 2011 15:23:33 GMT -5
Cool, Thanks guys for your responses.
Steve let me know how she turns out.. any pictures?
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Post by rosamburg on Jan 29, 2011 1:05:35 GMT -5
We thought we had video (on two occasions) last week Jesse came out and taped it but inadvertently had it on pictures instead of film. Tracey Hughes took video but her camcorder was lost or stolen at the airport. At this point the picture in protection looks pretty good, great drive, amazing strikes, strong fight. Tracking, I have been slow to teach articles but for food is slow and intense in the search. OB we took a step back to improve focus under distraction and expression. Conformation is pretty balanced for a WL dog, but she is small, at the bottom of the standard for height.
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Post by osirisdobermanns on Feb 6, 2011 23:56:31 GMT -5
thanks steve..I am in no hurry to get the right puppy next. I also really like Jano v Bayern and his progeny.
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Post by rafensoda on Feb 7, 2011 20:50:33 GMT -5
I have a Bojan v Havelland daughter. She is only 8 months but so far she has been all I had hoped for. She has nice conformation in my opinion, though I'm sure she'll never win in the AKC ring. She has lots of drive for the ball and tug, but more for the tug. Very good food drive and is very attentive. Attention heeling is no problem at all for her. What tracking we've done is good, but we haven't done a lot, mainly because I'd rather be doing obedience or bitework. She is a very outgoing pup and wants to check out everything. She went through a bit of a skittish stage where she was more wary of people than she had been, but I think that was just a fear period as she is completely fine now. She is quite friendly, but at the same time if she thinks something is up she can be a little aloof. Bitework has gone well. She has a nice full bite but is not very vocal yet.
I really liked both Bojan and Quint, but Bojan just happened to have a litter available at the time I needed a pup, so it worked out. I'd love to have a Quint pup for my next dog, though that will be a while.
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Post by osirisdobermanns on Feb 8, 2011 23:00:14 GMT -5
Bojan was my original "first pick" male for the last few years. I just don't have the luxury of being able to take days off work to do a live breeding in Germany, I have talked to Ralf and Bianca alot about Bojan and his family and He still is one of my favorites. Nothing is "wrong" with his pedigree but If I were to breed to him to my current girl the breeding co-effecient goes I think to 12% and I am now more interested in Working Lines in Germany,Czech and other countries/lines that are producing strong working dogs. Frozen and fresh semen is not allowed by the DV club in Germany.
So that is one of the only reasons I haven't used him yet. He has good longevity and health in his pedigree and has done pretty well in Sports and continually gets better scores in all 3 phases than his litter mates. I also love his sister Belize and wouldn't mind a puppy out of her either if I never get the chance to use Bojan. Do you have pictures.. rafensoda you have the pitty mixes right? that do great in Schutzhund as I remember on DT I think. Glad you finally got a working dobe!
Pictures??? I want some pictures : )
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Post by osirisdobermanns on Feb 8, 2011 23:01:43 GMT -5
My bad I didn't elaborate.
Frozen and fresh semen is not allowed to be exported by the German Dobermann Club/ D.V
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Post by rafensoda on Feb 9, 2011 10:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by Vadim on Feb 9, 2011 14:54:39 GMT -5
Hi rafensoda
Thank you so much for posting! We are glad to have you here.
Please take the time to register as a member as we will be going to a member only format in the near future.
Kind Regards and best wishes for your pup!
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Post by bergkonig on Feb 9, 2011 17:46:58 GMT -5
Hello Osiris, interesting post... About the dogs and bloodlines you are writing I am giving my oppinion... Here in Mexico, Juan Fernandez and myself have workingbloodlines. He owns Unna del Pais Baviera, full brother to Uran. He also owns Soran del Pais Baviera, son of Jano v Bayern. He recently imported Tatta, daugther of Ottomac. I own Afra vom Rosseltal, grand-daughter of Yoker von der Mooreiche, who is Friskos Dad... Mamba and Mosz vom Ferrenberg, sons of Bosz vom Burghof and Escara vom Ferrenberg. Escara is full sister to Enrico and Bosz is Comet´s uncle. Ringo and Rocco are sons of Asco, Juan also owns Olga v Eschenbruch, daughter of Asco. As far as my experience can tell, my favorites lines are von der Mooreiche, Burgstatte, Aurachgrund and recently the results of Elke Albrect of vom Ferrenberg. I have seen some pictures of sons of Ringo, and they seem to me weak in conformation, specially the narrow heads. Since I am in Mexico I cant see many dogs, I try to get videos of the dogs I like. I didnt like Titan in the video of working dogs. Quint seems to be an awsome dog, great prey drive and iron nerves. From Mosz vom Ferrenberg I can tell you he is going pretty good, in a few days he will be 1 year old, so far Mosz shows very good prey and agression dirve and solid nerves. But he have to continue working... I wish you very good luck in your research! You can see pictures, videos and the pedigrees of my "sons" (dogs) LOL in my webpage www.vom-bergkonig.comThis is Juan home page: www.fernandez-dobermann.com/Best regards from Mexico! |
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Post by osirisdobermanns on Feb 14, 2011 13:16:36 GMT -5
Thanks Juan. I didn't know such nice pedigrees were so close to me. Do you title in any Working sports?
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