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Post by rasmuscm on Jan 10, 2011 9:08:57 GMT -5
Hi folks - The Working Dobermanns of the Carolinas will be hosting a DV ZTP to be judged by Rudi Killmaier on May 1st in North Carolina. Information can be found on our website: www.workingdobermannsofthecarolinas.comIf you are contemplating this, please note that Hip xrays need to be submitted to the DV ASAP! Please see the information on the website pertaining to this. -Chris Rasmussen |
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Post by rosamburg on Jan 24, 2011 11:16:11 GMT -5
Chris, I am curious as to what kind of effort it took for the UDC to get an approved DV ZTP? For a long time the ADA was the only organization that offered a DV recognized ZTP in North America, so am very curious which changes were made in the process. Could anyone perhaps speak to the perhaps improved status with the IDC? In addition has there been a shift by the UDC to go with the FCI standard? Also is there any movement to receive greater recognition by the IDC in regards to UDC participation as a team at the world championship?
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Post by sonterra on Feb 1, 2011 10:19:42 GMT -5
Chris, I am curious as to what kind of effort it took for the UDC to get an approved DV ZTP? For a long time the ADA was the only organization that offered a DV recognized ZTP in North America, so am very curious which changes were made in the process. Could anyone perhaps speak to the perhaps improved status with the IDC? In addition has there been a shift by the UDC to go with the FCI standard? Also is there any movement to receive greater recognition by the IDC in regards to UDC participation as a team at the world championship? very good post Steve, I would also be very interested in hearing the answers. Tamara McIntosh |
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Post by sonterra on Feb 1, 2011 18:51:28 GMT -5
bump
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Post by rasmuscm on Feb 1, 2011 22:27:29 GMT -5
The UDC itself was not approved to host the DV ZTP, the Working Dobermanns of the Carolinas was approved. Yes, we are a member club of the UDC, and perhaps that was important (i.e., we weren't just some club of dobermann fanciers). We were advised to submit a request to host the ZTP, and we were approved.
As of this time, there is no shift in progress for the UDC to go with the FCI standard. There is talk about considering it, educating the membership about what it would mean, and perhaps surveying members to see how they would respond. A change of this magnitude would require a change to the UDC bylaws, and so the change would have to be voted on by the membership.
The UDC is a member of the IDC and can send a team to the FCI world championship, there just haven't been many takers.
-Chris
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Post by sonterra on Feb 2, 2011 13:46:42 GMT -5
Hi Chris,
Thank you for responding!
Could you tell us whom you applied to and what the process was? Being able to host ZTP's outside of either the UDC or the ADA would be handy. I know the rott people do it - so there must be a way.
Thanks
Tamara McIntosh
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Post by boomer on Feb 2, 2011 15:58:43 GMT -5
Actually none of the BST's/ZtP.s etc given by the USRC or other Rottweiler clubs in the US are recognized by anyone pretty much other than the host organization. We have ADRK KM do BSTs/ZtP.s all the time and they count no where but in the USRC.
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Post by rasmuscm on Feb 2, 2011 16:26:43 GMT -5
We applied to the DV.
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Post by sonterra on Feb 2, 2011 21:39:27 GMT -5
Actually none of the BST's/ZtP.s etc given by the USRC or other Rottweiler clubs in the US are recognized by anyone pretty much other than the host organization. We have ADRK KM do BSTs/ZtP.s all the time and they count no where but in the USRC. I was actually talking about the ZTP hosted in Alberta by a club in Calgary. Was that one not recognized either? Tamara McIntosh |
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Post by boomer on Feb 3, 2011 7:11:20 GMT -5
AS far as I know ADRK does not sanction any ZtP.s outside of Germany.
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Post by kansadobe on Feb 3, 2011 7:33:17 GMT -5
The reason a ZTP is being held is because of renewed communication between UDC and IDC. There was no change in position of the UDC. They have been a member of IDC for many years. The Working Doberman Club of the Carolinas was approved by the DV to hold a ZTP because they are a member club of UDC who is a member of IDC. I do not believe that the DV will approve just any Doberman(n) club to hold a ZTP. The club must have an affiliation through the larger IDC international organization.
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Post by dobebob on Feb 3, 2011 22:42:09 GMT -5
Let's hope that this event actually happens- it would not be the first time that Wibls put a stop to a UDC planned ZTP or other DV "sanctioned" event once he got wind of it.
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Post by boomer on Feb 4, 2011 7:33:22 GMT -5
Since the Dobermann was historically a docked and cropped breed what is the stance by the DV/IDC in regards to judging dogs here in the US when not shown in their natural state? Do they make allowances because it's still legal to crop and dock here?
I know about 4 years ago the ADRK threw a kid fit and basically ramrodded their standard down the throats of the IFR (IDC equivalent for Rottweilers) as our way or the highway even though the FCI makes exceptions for countries where it's still legal to dock and crop.
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Post by kansadobe on Feb 4, 2011 10:20:15 GMT -5
It is not a problem at all. ;D In fact, one of the requirements to host the IDC World Championships is to hold them in a country that allows exhibition of cropped and docked dogs. This can be as a regular policy or as special permission for the event. Most of the exhibits at the IDC are docked and cropped, but there will also be some dogs docked and uncropped, and also all natural. All of my breeders friends in Europe in the countries that do not allow docking and cropping any more would still be docking and cropping if they could. It has been a huge blow to all of the traditionally cropped and/or docked breeds. It is really sad.  |
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Post by boomer on Feb 4, 2011 11:08:50 GMT -5
Well the Dobermann people are fortunate to be able to have a choice when it comes to the International scene. Hopefully you guys never lose that mentality.
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