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Post by DeDe on Jan 5, 2010 7:26:21 GMT -5
This question was asked in chat last night and I was interested in everyone's take on it.
1. Do you prefer a harness or collar for a young dog in protection? 2. Please state the reason for your preference.
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Post by Bitten on Jan 5, 2010 10:36:00 GMT -5
Harness, and without question:
- keeps the body in ballance - easy to encourage and prise the dog - no strain on the dogs neck - less risk for damaging the dog - less risk for handler faults
Collar to me, is on the dog for corrections only - IF needed ..
Bitten
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Post by zedemar on Jan 5, 2010 11:58:45 GMT -5
Best is to use both at the same time, if one is experienced enough.
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Post by sonterra on Jan 5, 2010 12:21:59 GMT -5
A harness hands down, if we are talking about restraining a dog for training.
I perfer a dog to focus on the work and not on asphyxiation. The work is very technical in nature and the dog has to think. A harness simply restrains the dog in the manner I need so that he can focus on the work.
In most cases of using the harness the dog is back tied. We also do the prep work for pivots, stick, laterals, etc. I need the dog to go out full force and not worry about him breaking his neck, but also not worry the dog about a coming correction (ie hitting the end of the leash at full speed on a collar acts as a correction). We will also use a inner tube between the back tie and the post to give a bit of absorption, rather than the harness taking the full force of the dog and then stopping dead at the end.
However there is also many cases where we use a collar or flank rope to guide the dog. Or a correction collar to correct a dirty bite or position issue. It depends on what you are training.
Tamara McIntosh
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Post by Nellie on Jan 5, 2010 13:19:00 GMT -5
At the beginning I use both but only hook the leash to the harness. This is to build drive without restraint.
I introduce obedience to the protection when the dog is showing active (vs re-active) aggression. Then I use a tab on the collar for control.
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Post by dobermanman on Jan 5, 2010 17:14:25 GMT -5
This question was asked in chat last night and I was interested in everyone's take on it. 1. Do you prefer a harness or collar for a young dog in protection? 2. Please state the reason for your preference. I prefer a harness 100% of the time over a collar. When the dog is mature enough I use a 4 ft leash on the harness and a 6ft on the prong collar for corrections. I also use low level e-collar.
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Post by dobermanman on Jan 5, 2010 17:17:36 GMT -5
[quote author=sonterra board=protection thread=98 post=216 time=1262712119 However there is also many cases where we use a collar or flank rope to guide the dog. Or a correction collar to correct a dirty bite or position issue. It depends on what you are training.
Tamara McIntosh[/quote]
Tamara,
Can you describe a flank rope and how and when it is used?
Thomas Barriano
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Post by sonterra on Jan 5, 2010 20:50:34 GMT -5
>>Tamara, Can you describe a flank rope and how and when it is used? Thomas Barriano>> Hi Thomas, you can see it used in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7TT0QdeuoAIt was a method Tom Andrykowski showed me at the seminar in Oct. I use it with the defense of handler now and I also use the flank rope to correct riker in his guards, rather than a pinch. Rather than control the dog with a pinch/choke etc... you use a very light small rope around the flank. It also helps to manipulate the dogs body. With the rope in that position it takes a very little correction to get the point across to the dog. The french also use a flank rope, but they use it as a stress method (two leashes one on the flank and one on the collar - usually on a pinch), which I have also used... however I much prefer just the one light rope. It is super effective and less compulsive. Tamara McIntosh
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Post by John K. on Jan 5, 2010 22:45:25 GMT -5
I find the best use for a harness is tracking articles....
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Post by Steve Burger on Jan 6, 2010 11:23:26 GMT -5
No harnesses here. A pinch and dead link on the fur saver (as back up in case the pinch comes apart). The pinch adds conflict. Conflict + Prey drive= Power.
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Post by John K. on Jan 6, 2010 16:59:50 GMT -5
I guess I didn't explain myself in enough detail....I meant to say is, if you do it right, you can get 20-30 articles out of a good leather harness...that's the best use for a harness.
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Post by Florin NICULESCU on Jan 6, 2010 18:14:30 GMT -5
a good harness
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Post by symmetrydobes on Jan 6, 2010 18:15:13 GMT -5
Haha John, that is funny I PREFER a harness for both of my dogs, but I have seen repeatedly that they both work best on a collar. My puppy (16) months literally turns in to a sack of potatoes in the harness...in the collar he has a lot more power and fight. Weird, I never really thought about it before until just recently.... I use an agitation collar (wide leather) and use the pinch for corrections when necessary. There is a leash on both collars.
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Post by zedemar on Jan 7, 2010 6:43:21 GMT -5
All depends on the stage of education. With a young dog the harness is less disturbing and less compulsion. In combination with collar and two leashes it is a great tool, that may avoid unwanted accidents that make the dog look after the handler, while it should concentrate on the helper. To me it is the ABS brake and the collar is the emercency brake.
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Post by DeDe on Jan 7, 2010 7:53:03 GMT -5
I guess I didn't explain myself in enough detail....I meant to say is, if you do it right, you can get 20-30 articles out of a good leather harness...that's the best use for a harness. John, glad to see you're here! Just answer me one question. You are referring to 20-30 expensive articles being made BEFORE the harness is ingested, aren't you??? (Please let it be so.......)
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